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TastyCartographer630 t1_j0ig9fx wrote

How large of a part do American play in the trade? We don’t consume enough of it for this to matter that much in that regard, but I’ve got no idea how large of a part we playing in production ie killing the sharks?

Either way I’m all for it I fucking love sharks


conundrumbombs t1_j0j9cdc wrote

Killing the sharks would be way more humane. The controversy with shark fins is that there is an industry where monsters slice off their fins and then dump them back into the ocean.


Just_wanna_talk t1_j0jcq6d wrote

Why wouldn't they just harvest the whole shark? Is shark meat not that desirable?

Or are they just trying to maximize the value of each trip by only taking the most valuable part to save space on the ship?


the_fickle_pickle t1_j0jenbf wrote

No, the rest of the shark is not desirable. Frankly, the only reason the fin is desired is because it is seen as a luxurious ingredient in China, Japan, and a few countries largely in Southeast Asia.


ssfbob t1_j0jpnhk wrote

Apparently even the fin doesn't taste that great from what I've heard, its just another thing like rhino horns, its all for some superstition that it helps with all kinds of medical issues.


DoctorBritta t1_j0jssn4 wrote

When I had it as a kid it was like a savory thin strip of jelly basically, it absorbed the flavor of the broth/soup. If you’ve had jellyfish before it’s like that but smoother.


catterpie90 t1_j0k76q1 wrote

It has the texture of jellyfish if you have eaten it. And jellyfish is much more sustainable


mtgdrummer13 t1_j0jyuup wrote

Which is what makes this so incomprehensible. If it had one shred of a health benefit, then it would still be a horrific practice, but knowing that it’s all because there are some full ass grown adults that still believe in fairy tales is beyond infuriating


Buzzkid t1_j0jrgg3 wrote

It doesn’t taste like anything at all. Once it is processed and sold, it is nothing more than cartilage. Literally a shark shaped piece of jello.


sillybear25 t1_j0jslup wrote

Not exactly. It's eaten for its texture rather than its flavor. It's still cruel and unsustainable, but not completely pointless the way rhino horn is.


Worthyness t1_j0kg21p wrote

there's a subtle fishy taste given it's fish, but it's eaten primarily for texture. A good imitation is literal gelatin strips. So if you've eaten just some plain gelatin before, that's basically it (that's why they're used as imitation sharks fin). I'd say the key difference is that sharks fin does have a slightly softer overall texture (so not as ridged as gelatin), but also has crunchier pieces like cartilage (because that's pretty much what it is).

It's just a status symbol at this point because it's expensive to get. Similar to Bird's nest where the stuff is rare and hard to get, but mostly doesn't taste of anything unique.


Hailgod t1_j0lpo0o wrote

>Apparently even the fin doesn't taste that great from what I've heard,

its pretty much tasteless. like bird's nest.

what u taste is the rich chicken/herbal soup its cooked in.


m3t1t1 t1_j0k0g9k wrote

Some friends had it. Said it taste like Asian glass noodles


Gigibop t1_j0lr9eg wrote

It's the msg broth we all eat it for, it's the same even with snake, it's boiled to jelly like and it's all good


saltesc t1_j0juevw wrote

Some Asian countries have a really weird concept on luxury items. A lot of what we consider low quality or poor in Australia, a market somewhere else in APAC considers it luxury.

For a while, we were making $1.2B a year off China, dumping cheap wine we wouldn't even sell here. For some reason, wine from Australia was considered luxurious, regardless of the quality or taste, so it was basically free money. It took a while but the market matured and now the trend's gone and quite worthless, around $200M.

A single tuna recently sold in Japan for $3.1M USD. I find it funny considering it's a cheap ingredient that got me through my poor student years and it's one we put in 80¢ tinned cat food.

Now there's a huge trend to show off wealth more than ever, so brands like LV and Gucci are getting a lot of success in Asia whereas here the market's matured to see them representative of a person's social insecurity or financial asinity, so their revenue has tumbled. I think Gucci is down something like 55% since 2018, but recent success in Asia keeps them very relevant globally.


joe579003 t1_j0k2tto wrote

Are you really comparing prime Bluefin to the shit Yellowfin from cans you survived college with?


3859160912653957 t1_j0k42p7 wrote

I was going to ask if that 3.1 million tuna was from the first catch of the season or something, because that happens in Sweden to a lesser degree, but yeah, could be a specific kind of tuna too.


saltesc t1_j0no61v wrote

Yes. Has fins, swims, same genus. Quality difference is $8K/kg wholesale in Japan right now. It's like grabbing an M10+ steak for a couple hundred bucks. If payment is part of the rush that makes you feel special, you'll likely hold it in much higher regard than someone who eats it objectively.


RollForThings t1_j0jx1b3 wrote

>A single tuna recently sold in Japan for $3.1M USD. I find it funny considering it's a cheap ingredient that got me through my poor student years and it's one we put in 80¢ tinned cat food.

3 million is a bit much and the buyer even acknowledged this, buy bluefin sashimi makes these fish quite pricey. Tuna aren't just cheap tinned food


frozenedge t1_j0jyqxq wrote

I'm fairly certain I heard something about the very first tuna sold at the start of the season when the market opens is supposed to bring good luck for the rest of the season depending on the size of the catch, and people will spend huge sums of money on these tunas as it's a rather significant event.


Death_Cultist t1_j0jm0c3 wrote

And it should be noted that as of a few years ago, mainland China has gradually banned the consumption of shark fins as well.


JoyfulExmo t1_j0k9svv wrote

Disgusting. I’m sorry if this sounds ethnocentric but this is disgusting. Stop killing sharks, people!


TwoHeadedPanthr t1_j0jeumg wrote

The latter, sharks are big and the meat doesn't sell for much while the fins are small and sell for a lot.


defiantcross t1_j0joalx wrote

the latter. you think when i go to the whole foods I am ladeling lobster bisqie straight into the container? no man, I bring my own straining scoop and put in lobster mest only intp the cup.


gimpwiz t1_j0juoop wrote

I hate waste. Especially food waste. Especially meat (this used to be alive) waste. I would have no problem with shark fins if people caught, dressed, sold, and ate the whole shark. Cutting the fins off and dumping the rest is terrible, but cutting the fins off a live shark and dumping it back to die slowly is barbaric.

Literally all we had to do was just fish the whole shark instead of being cunts about it.

Also, by all accounts, shark fin tastes like nothing, and is just a texture thing. Some acquired taste bullshit.


CrabbyAtBest t1_j0jw79c wrote

Some sharks are eaten (dogfish is common in fish and chips)


MexGrow t1_j0lyotb wrote

Shark meat has a high urea content, so it smells like urine.


Fuckedby2FA t1_j0jsb32 wrote

Shark meat is actually poisonous. Full of heavy metals


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MexGrow t1_j0lyj74 wrote

They don't, but they do have a very high urea content in their muscle, which gives off that urine-like smell.

That is the main reason shark meat isn't desirable, and not the metal poisoning many are claiming. (which is real, but people also eat tuna)


OneSweet1Sweet t1_j0juyba wrote

No. Killing the sharks for flavorless cartilage is never justifiable.


DemoKith t1_j0kfx2d wrote

Killing a living being for food is not justifiable.


brodoswaggins93 t1_j0jgzjr wrote

The USA accounts for I believe 1% of the shark fin trade. They're also one of the leading countries in actual sustainable shark fisheries. This ban is nice, but it's more symbolic than anything.


Ripcord t1_j0jl18s wrote

It's not more symbolic than anything. No need to shit on it, this will have a real impact even if not huge.


brodoswaggins93 t1_j0jls0o wrote

I'm not shitting on it. It's nice that a world leader country is taking this stance. However, in terms of actual conservation numbers for shark populations, considering the fact that this primarily affects fisheries that have already been certified as sustainable, it doesn't actually do much for protecting any species from extinction or overexploitation.


Ripcord t1_j0jns4m wrote

You don't need to add that part. Just let the nice thing be nice, and don't overthink and downplay it. It's a nice thing. That's enough.

That's the sub.


brodoswaggins93 t1_j0jnxym wrote

Just giving an honest answer to the commenter asking about the impact this will have.


mtgdrummer13 t1_j0k00f0 wrote

I think your answer is important - context is always important, usually essential. If it weren’t for interjections like this, we would be a way more ignorant people. We would take bills at their title, articles at their headline, and corporations at their word… and we know by now to not do that. Always look deeper. Thanks for the clarification


brodoswaggins93 t1_j0l4wph wrote

You're welcome. I'm a marine biologist who has done a lot of work with sharks, so I know a lot about the topic, I'm passionate about it, and I care deeply about educating people on it. I don't think we should turn a blind eye to the intricacies of a bill like this because in the end that's more harmful for conservation. If we think we're doing more than we're actually doing, we'll be happy to pat ourselves on the back and assume mission accomplished when that's far from the case.

The real good news for sharks came out of CITES a few weeks ago, they imposed restrictions on the international trade of 90 or so shark species. This TRIPLES the number of shark species under CITES protection and accounts for approximately 90% of of the fin trade. It's a massive, unprecedented, historic win for shark conservation.


mtgdrummer13 t1_j0l8zd6 wrote

Awesome! I have a BA in environmental science. I ended up doing music full time but people like you are heroes and we appreciate you. What you said about turning a blind eye to the intricacies and consequently thinking that it’s “problem solved!” Is such an important addition. Learning that something is, in fact, not solved is of course disappointing, but re motivates people to actually get it solved, so please be a “Adam ruins everything” so we can actually continue making progress on these important issues


123full t1_j0k7frg wrote

I mean theoretically this could empower the US navy to go after foreign vassals engaging in Shark fun fin trading, the US has pretty much since it’s inception take the position that it has the right to intervene in crimes taking place in international waters. Not saying that this does it, but it could open the door up for it later down the line


jw8815 t1_j0ks1jh wrote

Legally no. The Navy isn't a law enforcement agency. Much like the Army can't enforce laws on land. Also, US law doesn't extend into areas that aren't the US.


brodoswaggins93 t1_j0l40e9 wrote

Shark finning has already been banned in the US for a while, and they don't go after finning boats in international waters.

CITES recently restricted international trade on roughly 90% of shark fins, so there's already going to be international cooperation on seizing shark fins from protected species in the ports of approximately 170 countries. There's no reason for the US to take things into their own hands in international waters when it will already be dealt with by border agents both in the country of the fins' origin and in the importing country.


Tbagjimmy t1_j0m373f wrote

A tad more than elephant tusk sales but I'm for it too


AmethystOrator OP t1_j0hwd5t wrote

> The House and Senate passed identical versions of the proposed ban as part of a broader defense spending bill that President Joe Biden is expected to sign into law. Once he does, it will be illegal for Americans to buy, sell, transport or even possess foreign-caught fins — something ocean conservation activists have long sought.


blxckhoodie999 t1_j0jeuwo wrote

> part of a broader defense spending bill

> illegal…to buy, sell, transport or even possess…fins

super glad about this, but how did we get here from defense spending hahaha.


AmethystOrator OP t1_j0jf340 wrote

I don't know, politics are sometimes like that. I only know that as part of a defense bill there's no way Biden doesn't sign this.


Ixosis t1_j0jgfln wrote

If ya really want something passed, and it can be tacked onto the defense spending bill, it's guaranteed to pass. Not all things can be tacked on, though


StargazingJuniper t1_j0jhg07 wrote

The annual Farm Bill get a lot of weird riders like this because it's something politicians have decided is always a must pass bill


gimpwiz t1_j0jufpg wrote

Biden would have signed it standalone, I am 98% sure. It doesn't seem like 'shark fin trade yes please' is on his agenda. Presidents tend not to use veto power for stuff that isn't particularly important to their agenda, so ...


ssfbob t1_j0jp6zn wrote

Things that have nothing to do with the law being proposed often get slipped in.


half3clipse t1_j0jmaaq wrote

major 'must pass' bills get all kinds of riders because they're a good chance for horse trading. reb bob wants something on their pet issue and if it gets included as a rider, he'll will support rep carols thing, who will support rep Alice' thing, which will make some allied rep of alice happy and stop blocking yet another thing.

you don't get that done across multiple bills easily, it takes one bill not passing to fuck up the quid pro quo. throw it all in one bill however and it all gets done at once.

its also good for getting Congress critters to buy into the important bill. if someone throws a last minute stink. they're not just delaying the important bill, but pissing off everyone who got their thing added as a rider. at that point it's not just "we need to pass this bill" but "I spent a bunch of effort negotiating riders that might not end up included in the next version of this doesn't pass". plus anyone who got something added as a rider is unlikely to create problems for the main bill.

sometimes it's also just a good chance to deal with small issues that aren't going to make it to a vote on their own. no one's going to object to it being passed, but there's not enough will power to actually get it done. getting it tacked onto a bill that's definitely being passed makes it more feasible.


just-the-doctor1 t1_j0ji2nx wrote

Sounds like it’s a rider.

My bet is that it’s a concession made by the people trying to get the Bill to pass to get more votes.


God_Damnit_Nappa t1_j0jsa25 wrote

These big, must pass bills are always bloated with these completely unrelated bills. Even the most hardcore shark hater isn't going to vote against the defense bill to shoot this down.


Noob_DM t1_j0jsibp wrote

The US Navy does a ton of work in naval enforcement, right of navigation, and other essential duties to keep trade freely and legally flowing across the ocean.


MundaneFacts t1_j0l22n8 wrote

Yep. This is obviously just a rider, but the Coast Guard will be affected by this.


Miakemi t1_j0l22px wrote

Riders on bills are like politician passion projects. They either get something super specific that they want or they use it to sink an otherwise good/important bill or as a political weapon (a while ago Republicans stuck CHIP renewal to a bill the Democrats we’re refusing to sign right before the program was going to expire and then billed it as Democrats being monsters for not wanting to cover child healthcare).

Plus, line item veto by the president was found unconstitutional at some point, so if the bill passes, the rider passes. In this case, it’s a good thing but


Criticalhit_jk t1_j0kq4nf wrote

Because they're foreign caught fins - this is a targetted ban


Redqueenhypo t1_j0lsc2c wrote

This happens constantly in politics, it’s just a weird thing. The original law will be about increasing school funding and then a bunch of riders about manatees and tractor safety will get attached.


benji_90 t1_j0kr12i wrote

No one expects the Finnish inquisition


Apokolypse09 t1_j0jgmyr wrote

My guess the "defense" part would be trying to enforce the ban but its not like China is just gonna stop the practice because the US bans it.


jasikanicolepi t1_j0k11r2 wrote

There is already a provision under the Fish and Wild Life agency, however there is a restriction the type of shark which the fins are harvested. If the shark isn't listed under the endangered species list then it is still allow to be harvest, which is Idiotic. Also when products arriving as cosmetics or supplement where they aren't able to distinguish what type of shark since it's been made into a final product, they can only based it according to what manufacturer says (which we know manufacturer are lying sack of crap). What manufacturer would often use scientific name of "chondroitin sulfate" to bypass the law. Just another fancy word for cartilage which can dervies from animals but also shark aka shark fins. I have friends who work on wild life's fauna and also CITEs.


Jelly_Belly321 t1_j0kionw wrote

I feel like there should be an exception for anyone who has been bitten by a shark. If I was bitten by a shark, I would want revenge by biting them back. Gotta assert that dominance as the apex of apex predators.


whiskey_rue t1_j0i8a7k wrote

Where we a large part of the market producing or harvesting?


Mundane-Ad-6874 t1_j0idlvv wrote

That was my thoughts. There’s no way America consumes a quantifiable amount. I imagine there’s a few places that sell it in cultural districts, but certainly not enough to put a dent in the issue. I honestly already thought this was a law.


Innocent-_-Bystander t1_j0j88kh wrote

It's almost always China.


Vegan_Harvest t1_j0ielig wrote

I'm surprised this wasn't already banned.


Worthyness t1_j0kg8zg wrote

was soft banned by specific states or cities for the most part. For example, in the bay area in California, it's been banned from sale for almost 20ish years. This law would make it a national thing.


Regnes t1_j0iox1c wrote

While this is good, it's a drop in the bucket and won't stop or impede extinction all that much. China and Hong Kong are the problem, unless we stop them, they are going to extinct all the sharks.


easy_Money t1_j0j01hq wrote

Japan too. For cultures that have cuisine largely dependent on seafood, they sure do seem hellbent on making sure there isn't much of it left in the near future. There's a very real chance that bluefin tuna will be all but extinct in the coming decades.


keiranlovett t1_j0jdc42 wrote

Good news about Hong Kong is there’s a strong decline in appreciation for it, and if memory serves me correct the endangered species is more strictly monitored. I could easily see it being banned soon with little push back from elder generations.


Jacobs4525 t1_j0jewm9 wrote

Imitation artificial shark fin soup is also becoming more popular there which is helping to reduce demand for the real thing.


THE_WIZARD_OF_PAWS t1_j0jhakc wrote

If it's imitating artificial shark fin soup, is that not just.... Shark fin soup?


Jacobs4525 t1_j0jhg5r wrote

no lol I used a sort of double negative I guess, imitation shark fin made from some kind of artificial material is what I’m talking about


Imaginary_Guarantee t1_j0kzvov wrote

I really love the fake stuff. Here they make it with chicken eggs.

The real stuff is banned here since before i was born in the early 90s, i dont know why they keep on calling it sharkfinsoup though. Just name it eggsoup allready.


Piklia t1_j0jjthg wrote

Taiwan and Japan are also large consumers of shark fin soup. It’s not just China. There are other countries that consume it as well.


Happy-Mousse8615 t1_j0jfhkj wrote

And Taiwan. Think it was largely banned in mainland China a while back. No idea if that applied to HK too though.


DemoKith t1_j0kg2ro wrote

And USA will extinct marine life with it's fishing industries. Don't be a hypocrite and let them eat the sharks.


dynex811 t1_j0kwzl6 wrote

The USA plants more fish than any other country, so ur wrong


citytiger t1_j0injj4 wrote

Good. This barbarism should have been outlawed years ago.


Noble-saw-Robot t1_j0iz5f6 wrote

Hopefully sport fishing for sharks is banned next


possiblynotanexpert t1_j0j7xx2 wrote

Sport hunting in general, in the water or not.


Innocent-_-Bystander t1_j0j8ep6 wrote

Do you live in deer rich environment?. There is such a thing as population control.


possiblynotanexpert t1_j0j9ws1 wrote

Then go kill some deer and eat them. Nothing wrong with that in the slightest.


Innocent-_-Bystander t1_j0ja7kb wrote

Sport hunting is part of population control of different invasive species. To say we don't need sport hunting is inaccurate.


RusstyDog t1_j0jwh2v wrote

Good thing they said to ban sport hunting not population control hunting.


God_Damnit_Nappa t1_j0jsf10 wrote

>The practice of shark finning, whereby sharks are caught for their fins and their carcasses then dumped back into the ocean, has been banned in U.S. waters for decades


tequilavixen t1_j0ik9dy wrote

This is the best news I've seen all day!


Stayvfraw t1_j0ilwk5 wrote

I thought this was already a law!!! I could’ve been eating shark fin soup this whole time!?!?!?


ZeusMcKraken t1_j0jr4eg wrote

This wasn’t already illegal?


Piczoid t1_j0jyfse wrote

Add foie gras to the list


FreedomPaws t1_j0k6a55 wrote


More needs to be done to protect animals. Its pathetic that in 2022 so little is done for them.

And eating animals shouldn't mean they live a life of torture and cruelty. It's so sad that these big corporations world wide in the food industry are untouchable esp here in the US. Civilized my ass that this is how animals are allowed to be treated. And that's just the food industry.

I don't follow politcs but this fall when i heard about Dr OZ, a literal animal abuser and killer on a mass scale, was what ppl were voting for, I was infuriated. How the fuck do u shmucks not find a better person I swear to god. 🙄 Fuck anyone who got him to where he is to even be put on a ballot and fuck all of you that voted for him. Degenerates.


BtheChemist t1_j0j8w6j wrote

How tf did this take so long!?


CoconutMochi t1_j0jom2s wrote

I had it once at a restaurant over 20 years ago at a restaurant in LA as a kid. I get the impression people just like it for the novelty because it's not much to write home about.


Imaginary_Guarantee t1_j0l0kjf wrote

The fake soup is really really good though. Its just chickensoup with ham, some vegetables and eggwhite. Weird thick clearish-white soup.

I have to say that i dont know how the real soup taste. They still name it sharkfinsoup here, but it luckily hasnt contained shark fins for a long time.


Died-Last-Night t1_j0jouhw wrote

This should have been done decades ago. WTF


RED888IT t1_j0j872g wrote

This type of practise really needs to FINish


ArchyModge t1_j0ji9qq wrote

Legit thought this was banned like 10 years ago. We lackin’


PavlovsGreyhound t1_j0jw36c wrote

Can't believe this wasn't already us law. The disgustingly sluggish pace of change will be what kills this planet


plsobeytrafficlights t1_j0jwe0e wrote

…such a pressing problem in the US. Maybe we can get around to voting on that government shutdown problem that you have 8 days to fix.


DreadSeverin t1_j0k3n5i wrote

Wtf. How was this fucking legal Jesus fucking Christ


Tupile t1_j0k8mak wrote

Maybe one day all animals will have protection instead of just ones popular at any given moment. (Cows,chickens, pigs… lookin at you homies )


JoyfulExmo t1_j0k9oyl wrote

TIL that “shark fin trade” is a thing in the US.


DemoKith t1_j0kfv6a wrote

Ok and now ban rest of the fishing industry too, they are doing far more damage than shark fin industry.


Zown4 t1_j0lo775 wrote

Wait.. so it's been legal this whole time?


Moltac t1_j0lqel1 wrote

/u/jenny-jinya has a comic about the shark fin market, so sad that people abuse animals with only money in mind. I hope it does become law. Ethical hunting is one thing but mutilating animals for purely monetary gain is a tragedy.


IllstudyYOU t1_j0lqzl7 wrote

Awesome. Can we get healthcare and raised minimum wages please.


thegoldencashew t1_j0m3sqn wrote

Apex predators are the health of the habitat.


DeerBoyDiary t1_j0m9plb wrote

I didn't even know it was legal here in the US.


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Dr_ManTits_Toboggan t1_j0j9ylo wrote

Does this mean Long John Silvers won’t serve sharkfin soup anymore?


mrhampants t1_j0jsog4 wrote

Awww gee! This is really going to affect my day-to-day!! Shark fin Friday is forever ruined! Thanks Obama :-(


bnemmie t1_j0k7kjf wrote isn't already a law? I thought this was just an overseas thing....Why the hell wasn't this a law before?


InnocentPerv93 t1_j0k93m3 wrote

So idk anything about this and I have no horse in this race. However, are any sharks used for shark fins endangered? If so, then I get it and I agree the trade should be banned. But if not, I'm not really sure why this is is a big issue outside of animal activists.


deviio t1_j0lmail wrote

If we don’t stop, there are entire species that will go extinct as a result.


HussingtonHat t1_j0kgfa7 wrote

I thought even the Japanese had stopped shark fin?!


deviio t1_j0lm69m wrote

We’ve only passed treaties to stop the trade so far. Still legal in China and much of the EU.


Kiyasu t1_j0khisn wrote

Speaking as a big fan of great hammerheads, dope.


Zanos-Ixshlae t1_j0kn6v3 wrote

The soup isn't even all that good.


CharacterOtherwise77 t1_j0lbi45 wrote

Why don't we have stronger rules for marine poaching? shrugs

Fish get it the worst in the animal + human kingdom.


Puidwen t1_j0lejb3 wrote

I thought the us had already banned this? Was it just a couple of individual states and i'm misremembering?


Cost_Additional t1_j0lfbfy wrote

Wonder how the Asian restaurant near me will get it after the ban.


mosquito633 t1_j0livfk wrote

It shouldn’t even need to be banned. Nobody should buy into or engage in such a disgusting practice. Everyone knows about this appalling trade unless they have been living in a cave their whole hole life.


V0dkafa11 t1_j0m0p78 wrote

"What is legal elsewhere and illegal here is now....double illegal here! Yeah, that'll show 'em!"


SSA78 t1_j0m1ua9 wrote

Also Iceland. You can have shark fin there.


Stryker218 t1_j0jw2h9 wrote

I think this is great but usually banning things just leads to a black market, and demand booms. I doubt there is much demand right now for fins in the US, but i have a feeling their value just went way up, and there will be a market now.


Kurayamino t1_j0k0lnh wrote

Meanwhile here in my corner of Australia, Shark fin soup is as ethical as any other meat because we're eating the whole shark.


dashmesh t1_j0jzdd6 wrote

Chinese will still get it in I love shark fin soup you don't get ban on chicken or beef why shark fin


bawlzdeep665 t1_j0kcsg6 wrote

Awww its so delicious tho 😤